Fight 82
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It's always a disadvantage to be able to see into the future, don't you know about the classic story about Kassandra, the seer of Troy?kk1 wrote:Of course she is a girl with the power to see the future too
But not only there... people who can see into the future get screwed by their talent sooner or later. It's in "The Lord of the Rings", too, and Kreon, the Lord of Thebes got killed by his son because he listened to the Oracle of Delphi. Unfortunately, my literary knowledge is not deep enough to be able to give you more examples. You see, the old Greeks were a pretty wise people, and they figured out that seeing the future is rather problematic more than 2000 years ago.
The point is: you see something, but you don't know how to interpret it in the right way, so it's better to get rid of such a 'talent'. Aya should beg Soichiro to free her of her Dragon's Eye.
Bomb me, please.
That's what I feel might happen. Souichirou for some reason eats Aya's dragon eye. If Oh! Great decides not to go with the Aya x Souichirou pairing, this would serve as a perfect nail in that relationships coffin. Aya hardly ever uses her power anyway, its kinda wasted on her.
The possibility that Maya likes Souichirou is already pretty high. The first two volume events already alluded to this. Here we have Aya possibly confirming it and there's also her later line "Why does she pretend?" which seems to be confirming that Maya pretends that she is not interested in Souichirou for Aya's sake. If you had someone you liked, wouldn't you want to see them realise their full potential? Maya hasn't really taught Souichirou anything since the forged needle. Lately, she hasn't been so much his teacher as his leader.
The possibility that Maya likes Souichirou is already pretty high. The first two volume events already alluded to this. Here we have Aya possibly confirming it and there's also her later line "Why does she pretend?" which seems to be confirming that Maya pretends that she is not interested in Souichirou for Aya's sake. If you had someone you liked, wouldn't you want to see them realise their full potential? Maya hasn't really taught Souichirou anything since the forged needle. Lately, she hasn't been so much his teacher as his leader.
OooohhhhhhhEliteF22 wrote:That's what I feel might happen. Souichirou for some reason eats Aya's dragon eye. If Oh! Great decides not to go with the Aya x Souichirou pairing, this would serve as a perfect nail in that relationships coffin. Aya hardly ever uses her power anyway, its kinda wasted on her.
The possibility that Maya likes Souichirou is already pretty high. The first two volume events already alluded to this. Here we have Aya possibly confirming it and there's also her later line "Why does she pretend?" which seems to be confirming that Maya pretends that she is not interested in Souichirou for Aya's sake. If you had someone you liked, wouldn't you want to see them realise their full potential? Maya hasn't really taught Souichirou anything since the forged needle. Lately, she hasn't been so much his teacher as his leader.
But if that is so.... hm... I wonder.... what will happen to Mitsuomi???
Souichirou stealing Aya's Dragon Eye? That would be overkill in a bad way in my opinion. It would be already too much, plus it takes away Aya's significance in the group all together. And I'm not only referring to her relationship with Souichirou either, but where would that place Reiki all of sudden? Will Souichirou have something to do with that too in the near future because of the Dragon Eye? Or will it just be "there," left in obscurity, humming all the way in Maya's hands as Souichirou deals with his dad?
Also, Aya's Dragon Eye just shows her events. It's really up to her how she would interpret them..or how she would use them. So that kiss for her is, well, a kiss. I do however, believe that Maya feels something for Nagi, but it's nothing like a romantic feeling whatsoever--more like she sees him in an affectionate way with a warm sense of admiration. Mitsuomi is still in her mind, you know. But I do sense that there's going to be some sorting out between her and Nagi. If there's going to be some romantic tension between the two, I'm guessing it'll be because Nagi reminds her of something from her past, or something platonic in that sense.
Also, Aya's Dragon Eye just shows her events. It's really up to her how she would interpret them..or how she would use them. So that kiss for her is, well, a kiss. I do however, believe that Maya feels something for Nagi, but it's nothing like a romantic feeling whatsoever--more like she sees him in an affectionate way with a warm sense of admiration. Mitsuomi is still in her mind, you know. But I do sense that there's going to be some sorting out between her and Nagi. If there's going to be some romantic tension between the two, I'm guessing it'll be because Nagi reminds her of something from her past, or something platonic in that sense.
I love to guess at this whole big love rectangle going on. Mitousumi loves Maya and Maya loves Mitsoumi while, Souchiro says he loves Maya, and Aya loves Souchiro. Triyng to figure this out is insane until one of them cracks and shouts out honestly what they feel.
I do think Maya's still in love with Mitsoumi and looking back its very possible she sees Souchiro as a student that she is respoinsible for while Aya could be seeing this the wrong way and thinking its love. The possibilities are endless. Not to mention the other ppl who have crushes on all of them. I love guessing though..its fun!!!
I do think Maya's still in love with Mitsoumi and looking back its very possible she sees Souchiro as a student that she is respoinsible for while Aya could be seeing this the wrong way and thinking its love. The possibilities are endless. Not to mention the other ppl who have crushes on all of them. I love guessing though..its fun!!!
EliteF22 wrote:That's what I feel might happen. Souichirou for some reason eats Aya's dragon eye. If Oh! Great decides not to go with the Aya x Souichirou pairing, this would serve as a perfect nail in that relationships coffin. Aya hardly ever uses her power anyway, its kinda wasted on her. .
But the only way he could is if she let him, kinda the nature of the power she could see he would do it and stop him.
Well she does want him to reach his full potential, she's the one who asked his mother to train him because she taught him all she can and he needed the training of people who know how to use red feather powers, something she can't do.EliteF22 wrote: The possibility that Maya likes Souichirou is already pretty high. The first two volume events already alluded to this. Here we have Aya possibly confirming it and there's also her later line "Why does she pretend?" which seems to be confirming that Maya pretends that she is not interested in Souichirou for Aya's sake. If you had someone you liked, wouldn't you want to see them realise their full potential? Maya hasn't really taught Souichirou anything since the forged needle. Lately, she hasn't been so much his teacher as his leader.
No, but I have seen a few episodes of "That's So Raven" which I'm sure is pretty similar.Isuzu wrote:It's always a disadvantage to be able to see into the future, don't you know about the classic story about Kassandra, the seer of Troy? .kk1 wrote:Of course she is a girl with the power to see the future too
Unless it's your own death like Shin, that's pretty straightforward.Isuzu wrote:
The point is: you see something, but you don't know how to interpret it in the right way, so it's better to get rid of such a 'talent'. Aya should beg Soichiro to free her of her Dragon's Eye.
Yeah, like..hhv94 wrote:The possibilities are endless. Not to mention the other ppl who have crushes on all of them. I love guessing though..its fun!!!
Isuzu -> Mitsuomi
Masataka -> Aya
and quite possibly,
Madoka -> Masataka
Shizuru -> Nagi
You got to hand it to Bob and Asshat. At least, they're already pretty settled with their significant other(s).
Possibly... but I for one think the "let's move on, I found someone else.." scenario wouldn't work so well with Maya and Mitsuomi considering the past arc and all.
And if Mitsuomi dies in the story--well, that just makes a Nagi and Maya relationship all the more harder to pull of. It kinda leaves a sour after taste in my opinion.
Actually, I'd rather see something between Maya and Mitsuomi that attempts to reconcile them with their past--in one way or another.
And if Mitsuomi dies in the story--well, that just makes a Nagi and Maya relationship all the more harder to pull of. It kinda leaves a sour after taste in my opinion.
Actually, I'd rather see something between Maya and Mitsuomi that attempts to reconcile them with their past--in one way or another.
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Man, that seemed like a short chapter.
Did people come to a concensous on who the ghost character was? I'm of the impression that it is either Aya, or Makiko, or some manifestation of Dragon's Eye past/future thing influenced a bit by both of them...
and that person crucified on the gate on the last page? One of the reasons I have that characters page is that I'm just bad at recognizing people, but still, I don't think that was Makiko...?
Did people come to a concensous on who the ghost character was? I'm of the impression that it is either Aya, or Makiko, or some manifestation of Dragon's Eye past/future thing influenced a bit by both of them...
and that person crucified on the gate on the last page? One of the reasons I have that characters page is that I'm just bad at recognizing people, but still, I don't think that was Makiko...?
I thought everyone was under the impression that the person at the end was Makiko. It seems that Aya's "spirit guide" is her dragon appearing as a mirror version of Aya. Next chapter is going to be interesting. Looks like we finally get to see more of Makiko's past and some more explanation about the dragon's. Weren't all the red feather powers activated eight years ago? Maybe Souhaku did something to Makiko to cause all the red feather powers to activate. That could mean that Souchirou is now needed in order to seal them all up again.
I would say that the ghost is a manifestation of the dragon's eye power, trying to show Aya's subconciuous something that I still don't get, maybe the real power that is sleeping inside her?
The crucified one too could be the ghost itself, the thing that the earlier ghost was trying to show Aya. The tattoo appears to be part of a dragon's body, don't know.
The crucified one too could be the ghost itself, the thing that the earlier ghost was trying to show Aya. The tattoo appears to be part of a dragon's body, don't know.
FuguTabetai wrote:Man, that seemed like a short chapter.
Sure did
Anthropomorphized Dragon's eye that looks like Aya.FuguTabetai wrote: Did people come to a concensous on who the ghost character was? I'm of the impression that it is either Aya, or Makiko, or some manifestation of Dragon's Eye past/future thing influenced a bit by both of them......?
Even with that tagline about the next chapter?! Check out the first couple pages of fight 79.FuguTabetai wrote: and that person crucified on the gate on the last page? One of the reasons I have that characters page is that I'm just bad at recognizing people, but still, I don't think that was Makiko...?
Yeah I theorized that(Makiko activating the red feather powers) in some thread somewhere, but I figure Nagi isn't being used to seal them but to do the exact same thing, activate all the latent powers so Souhaku can kill them all. Giving Nagi all that power should make him resonate with other red feathers and activate their powers just like his mother did 8 years ago. I figure he wants to know who has a red feather power so he can get rid of them. I assume he does since Madoka said he was dedicated to the slaughter of the 12 families.EliteF22 wrote:I thought everyone was under the impression that the person at the end was Makiko. It seems that Aya's "spirit guide" is her dragon appearing as a mirror version of Aya. Next chapter is going to be interesting. Looks like we finally get to see more of Makiko's past and some more explanation about the dragon's. Weren't all the red feather powers activated eight years ago? Maybe Souhaku did something to Makiko to cause all the red feather powers to activate. That could mean that Souchirou is now needed in order to seal them all up again.
It could be just a blatant powergrab, but I doubt it because Souhaku has said that he wants to eradicate the demons Makiko has spawned (a reference to the resonance, perhaps?).EliteF22 wrote:Wasn't the slaughter of the founding families, in order for him to be able to gain control?
To me, Souhaku is more of an ideologue than a power-hungry person, and he is probably fighting for something he believes in, for more than just control, because people who just want to be on top rarely massacre their potential powerbase. His desire to eradicate the Red Feathers seems to be grounded more in faith in his beliefs of the danger that the Reds pose, rather than just a means to supplant Takayanagi.
I mean, who's he going to rule, if he just kills them all off? No, it's deeper than that, definitely.
Isn't that the other way around? Makiko said he is going to bring about 1000 demons so she'll get rid of 1500.MrProphet wrote:It could be just a blatant powergrab, but I doubt it because Souhaku has said that he wants to eradicate the demons Makiko has spawned (a reference to the resonance, perhaps?).EliteF22 wrote:Wasn't the slaughter of the founding families, in order for him to be able to gain control?
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Bottom right of the bubble points up to Makiko, Fugu also has her speaking that line in his translation, Makiko even says something similar when she sees Souhaku at the hospital, when she heard a "demon" had popped up somewhere she'd go after it thinking it might be him.EliteF22 wrote:That confused me too. Who does that bubble point to?
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I think the expression that Makiko uses, is someting like, "while Souhaku will bring about 1000 demons, she'll be killing 1500 demons." Yeah like kk1 said, it makes sense considering she's the "exorcist" among the Red Feather Clans. Heck, even Bunshichi uses the term when he decides to fight Shin.
Frankly, I really don't know why Souhaku would be using Nagi in order to eradicate the Red Feathers. Does he even need someone from Makiko's line just to find them? Then why does he go about feeding Souichirou? Just so he can kill him after he's stolen all the red feather abilities in order to finally get rid of them once and for all?
That doesn't seem to make sense with regard to what Inue said when she got punched by Mitsuomi--about "how it doesn't matter how much meat we feed him.."
Frankly, I really don't know why Souhaku would be using Nagi in order to eradicate the Red Feathers. Does he even need someone from Makiko's line just to find them? Then why does he go about feeding Souichirou? Just so he can kill him after he's stolen all the red feather abilities in order to finally get rid of them once and for all?
That doesn't seem to make sense with regard to what Inue said when she got punched by Mitsuomi--about "how it doesn't matter how much meat we feed him.."
Not just the red feathers but all 12 families (going from what Madoka said). Is it to find them? I'm not sure but we do know Souhaku did the same thing with Makiko 8 years ago and the resonance of all that energy in her activated the latent powers of numerous red feathers. It seems like he then gets Tetsuhito to take them. Will he kill NAgi? Well he couldn't kill Makiko, so maybe, like her, he'll just take an arm and tell him to go back to being a normal kid.kujoe wrote: Frankly, I really don't know why Souhaku would be using Nagi in order to eradicate the Red Feathers. Does he even need someone from Makiko's line just to find them? Then why does he go about feeding Souichirou? Just so he can kill him after he's stolen all the red feather abilities in order to finally get rid of them once and for all?
kujoe wrote: That doesn't seem to make sense with regard to what Inue said when she got punched by Mitsuomi--about "how it doesn't matter how much meat we feed him.."
Uhmm I can't find that, before he hits her he says he knows Souhaku is using members of the 12 families as meat and she mocks Mitsuomi by saying he can be "meat" too...but I don't see what your refering too.
he used her, cut off her arm, left her, dissappeared and showed up 8 years later only to kidnap her son, yeah he must love herAsunder wrote:I've been pondering this for a while...does Souhaku love Makiko?
She seems to have feelings for him, as indicated in the hospital scene, but does he reciprocate?
He could have just as easily killed Makiko, but all he did was cut off her arm and tell her to live as a normal woman. I mean, if Souhaku is really trying to kill all the people with dragon powers, telling Makiko to live as a normal woman may be his way of trying to protect her from his own crusade.
She says it exactly after he punches her. Ch80p21.kk1 wrote:Uhmm I can't find that, before he hits her he says he knows Souhaku is using members of the 12 families as meat and she mocks Mitsuomi by saying he can be "meat" too...but I don't see what your refering too.
Directly from Fugu's scripts, it's translated as :
It won't matter how much "meat" we feed him like this.
I think that "we" should be "I" and the "him" in this case is Mitsuomi not Nagi, it sounds more like she's referring to the immediate situation of fighting Mitsuomi by throwing "meat" at him, in this case her preists( and eventually Madoka )and how it won't matter because he's going to kick her ass.kujoe wrote:She says it exactly after he punches her. Ch80p21.kk1 wrote:Uhmm I can't find that, before he hits her he says he knows Souhaku is using members of the 12 families as meat and she mocks Mitsuomi by saying he can be "meat" too...but I don't see what your refering too.
Directly from Fugu's scripts, it's translated as :
It won't matter how much "meat" we feed him like this.
In context of Inue's and Kago's previous statements about feeding "meat" to Souichirou, it certainly sounded like Inue is saying that "no matter how much stronger we make Nagi, it won't matter in a fight against Mitsuomi".
Of course, she could be implying what you are saying, but it makes less sense in retrospect.
Of course, she could be implying what you are saying, but it makes less sense in retrospect.
Let's see, "Kore de wa ikura "niku" ga atte mo imi ga nai"
With this (like this), how much "meat" there is won't matter (will not be of signifigance ,won't mean anything)
Hmmm seems to be quite a liberal translation by Fugu but the line right before that (Fugu's translation) "I've got to make an adjustment ... re-work the plan" seems to provide the context that this line is referring to her immediate situation and how she's going to get away from Mitsuomi (she just sent some "meat"-her priests at him)and not what Souhaku is doing to Nagi. I would imagine after getting punched across the room and Mitsuomi coming at her for another hit, Nagi would be the furthest thing from her mind. Fugu? I know you're always open to tweaking your translations, whattaya think? anyone else?
With this (like this), how much "meat" there is won't matter (will not be of signifigance ,won't mean anything)
Hmmm seems to be quite a liberal translation by Fugu but the line right before that (Fugu's translation) "I've got to make an adjustment ... re-work the plan" seems to provide the context that this line is referring to her immediate situation and how she's going to get away from Mitsuomi (she just sent some "meat"-her priests at him)and not what Souhaku is doing to Nagi. I would imagine after getting punched across the room and Mitsuomi coming at her for another hit, Nagi would be the furthest thing from her mind. Fugu? I know you're always open to tweaking your translations, whattaya think? anyone else?
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It changes the phrase a bit, but does it change the meaning?kk1 wrote:Let's see, "Kore de wa ikura "niku" ga atte mo imi ga nai"
With this (like this), how much "meat" there is won't matter (will not be of signifigance ,won't mean anything)
She doesn't say what they do with "meat", and it won't matter against "whom", but the only person we've seen "game cocks" fed to is Nagi. So, I still don't see how she isn't implying that Mitsuomi is too strong, even given all the "meat-feeding" to whoever (naturally, to Nagi).
Yeah I admitted I'm wrong one post before you.MrProphet wrote:It changes the phrase a bit, but does it change the meaning?kk1 wrote:Let's see, "Kore de wa ikura "niku" ga atte mo imi ga nai"
With this (like this), how much "meat" there is won't matter (will not be of signifigance ,won't mean anything)
She doesn't say what they do with "meat", and it won't matter against "whom", but the only person we've seen "game cocks" fed to is Nagi. So, I still don't see how she isn't implying that Mitsuomi is too strong, even given all the "meat-feeding" to whoever (naturally, to Nagi).
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Well, I think my translation is pretty good - I also have notes about both of those lines. It is all open for interpretation though, which is one of the reasons I put up the Japanese text as well.kk1 wrote: Right. From page 11. Where she threatens to make Mitsuomi "meat"? You sorta get that across with your translation but it's still akward
Takayanagi Mitsuomi:
That I don't know what you are doing by taking people from all of the families as so-called "meat"?
That I don't know Souhaku's true purpose!!?
Inue Shindayuu:
(English by fugu) ... And do you think
"that goes for you too"
It isn't that I don't know what "power" is. If you just want to choose to become brute-force "meat" of your own volition that is fine with me.
Isn't Inue's lines more like:
The same goes for you.(watch it or we'll use you too)
Don't presume I don't know about "power". (arimasumai is polite presumptive isn't it? so isn't she kinda saying "you know what I can do with my power")-boy that's akward phrasing
Would it be alright to make "meat" of nothing but sheer strength? ( unlike red feather power your power is just your muscles but I can make that "meat" too)
So isn't she kinda calling anyone she controls with her power "meat" right here? She thought she was going to control him with her power and says she will make him "meat".
Originally the people brought to Nagi were called "spare ribs", then Inue refered to them as "game cocks", then it was Madoka (in chap 79) who called all the Todou students "meat", which is what Souhaku called them...so...ehh now that I reread it I guess even here she is threatening to make Mitsuomi "meat" for Nagi. Well I guess I just did all that to make your argument more convincing Oh well it was fun parcticing my translation skills anyway. And of course if this translation is right, it means he's wants to use Nagi to beat Mitsuomi...hmmm isn't that what Maya wants to do too? Does this mean a Maya Souhaku team-up ....ehh probably not
Anyway, "arimasumai" is just a negative form of arimasu, but Inue consistently uses forms of kobun, older literary Japanese, which is what that is from. I don't know kobun well at all though - I only know the basics (the stuff that is likely to show up in manga.) I don't think it has anything to do with a presumptive, unless you are reading into Inue's haughty character.
Also, isn't this discussion about chapter 81?
Evil_Genius released Fight 81 and 82 today.
Basically, they took Fugu's translation and applied it to the images.
The edit job is just great. Amazing imaging work. Very professional. The translation.. well, we've already seen it and it's good. (I just wish things like "ideaology" didn't show up )
All in all, a nice job and I am actually glad that Fugu let them use his translation. Pairing up talents is good.
Basically, they took Fugu's translation and applied it to the images.
The edit job is just great. Amazing imaging work. Very professional. The translation.. well, we've already seen it and it's good. (I just wish things like "ideaology" didn't show up )
All in all, a nice job and I am actually glad that Fugu let them use his translation. Pairing up talents is good.
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