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I think Aya is treating it like a game. A rather more advanced version of girls trying to act like adults. Except of course, Aya has an adult's body (currently). I don't think she's interested in sex herself, but probably finds it facinating.MrProphet wrote:Wow, she is just 9 years old?!
I wonder how she knows so much about sex and seduction then. Of course, she'd been around a brothel for some time, but kids don't generally get interested in this kind of activity untill puberty.
Yet Aya struts her stuff out like a true professional? What gives?
When is she "getting naked around her comrades"? In this chapter, she is changing in a separte room to Kabane and Shoujou - and kicked Ichiyou out too.MrProphet wrote:I see. It makes sense now how Aya is not ashamed of constantly getting naked around her comrades. She is just too young to get it...
Seems so. Most of the group looks like a freak show... though at least Ichiyou looks fairly cool with those things around his forearms.And who's the old dude playing go with Takayanagi? By that picture of the 12 families I assume he is one of them, right?
I thought it was the same room. Maybe I was just confused by the image transposition. And didn't Ichiyou just storm out on his own?shouki wrote:When is she "getting naked around her comrades"? In this chapter, she is changing in a separte room to Kabane and Shoujou - and kicked Ichiyou out too.
I say that THISSeems so. Most of the group looks like a freak show... though at least Ichiyou looks fairly cool with those things around his forearms.
To quote from my first post today:MrProphet wrote:I thought it was the same room. Maybe I was just confused by the image transposition. And didn't Ichiyou just storm out on his own?shouki wrote:When is she "getting naked around her comrades"? In this chapter, she is changing in a separte room to Kabane and Shoujou - and kicked Ichiyou out too.
On the page where Kabane is reacting in shock to Aya being 9, you can see behind the near full frontal nude of Aya the silhouette of Ichiyou outside (sneezing in the cold). So you can tell that Aya is inside the room Ichiyou is sitting in front of 2 pages earlier.We find this out after Aya and Shoujou start talking dirty and Ichiyou orders the group to be in separate rooms, him and "onee-chan" in one and Shoujou and Kabane in another.
I'm calling it the "Ancient Arc". But that's just what I'm using to prefix the character names with.kujoe wrote:I do find these current chapters interesting—especially with new characters such as Aya's ancestor and Ichiyou—but I'm wondering if there's going to be a day when I'll have to regard this as "past arc 2."
I'll probably get a translation out later in the week.kujoe wrote: Anyway, here I am—patiently waiting for some translated info.
Hmm, shame it's kinda inbetween the end of the Sengoku Jidai era and the start of the Tokugawa period- since "Sengoku arc" and "Tokugawa arc" don't quite fit the bill. "Osaka arc" would be kinda missleading (doesn't imply it's a past arc). "Medieval" might be a bit more appropriate than "ancient" though - particularly since some events in the TJTG world happened ~2000 years ago.FuguTabetai wrote:I'm calling it the "Ancient Arc". But that's just what I'm using to prefix the character names with.kujoe wrote:I do find these current chapters interesting—especially with new characters such as Aya's ancestor and Ichiyou—but I'm wondering if there's going to be a day when I'll have to regard this as "past arc 2."
That's what I was wondering, I thought that at first then thought the last chapter disproved it.protocol7 wrote:with all kago's talk of reuniting red feathers and also inoe calling him the "hope of red feathers" in the past he seems to still be enemies of the rf.
thinking back kago in volume 14 said the "his attempt failed again".Is this kago and the kago from the past the same person.it may sound far fetched but i will admit it might not surprise me.
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I don't agree. Puberty is when we develop principles and values which we take through to our adult lives. That is not the same as saying that children are entirely oblivious to the concepts of Right & Wrong. Most serial killers and violent sociopaths have a childhood history of cruelty to animals. Cruelty to other humans in children is a huge, flashing warning of present or latent psychopathy. Aya enjoys hurting others, that much is evident. But we should also keep in mind that characters in fiction are often have exaggerated emotional, intellectual and even sexual maturity, especially in a manga where an 18 year-old runs simultaneously a school, a multi-million dollar business empire, and a yakuza-ish association.So no wonder past Aya is evil in a playful way - kids don't really develop morals until they go through puberty.
I don't understand how someone who has gone so obviously rogue for so long could be allowed back in with the group. Some serious apologizing must have happened for the Kago family to have been let back into the fold in the present. Even if they thought the current Souhaku is a descendent, it was still only 500 years ago...If they are indeed going after Souhaku, its interesting in that in the present most of the red feathers don't like him either. But he made it sound like the dream of reuniting the blood was universal among the red feathers. I guess Souhaku has been trying to oppose Takayanagi for a long time.
Yeah this reminds me of some Christian stories of Jesus before he was 12 that weren't included in the Bible(The Infancy Gospel of Thomas), where he would wither and even kill other children who did things like just bump into him and then make their parents blind when they complained. If a young child had that much power how can you possibly control them or discipline them, and considering how it corrupted Shin, Ancestor Aya doesn't seem all that different, especially when you consider she has the mentallity of a 9 year old.Agent_Wax wrote:Shouki wrote:I don't agree. Puberty is when we develop principles and values which we take through to our adult lives. That is not the same as saying that children are entirely oblivious to the concepts of Right & Wrong. Most serial killers and violent sociopaths have a childhood history of cruelty to animals. Cruelty to other humans in children is a huge, flashing warning of present or latent psychopathy. Aya enjoys hurting others, that much is evident. But we should also keep in mind that characters in fiction are often have exaggerated emotional, intellectual and even sexual maturity, especially in a manga where an 18 year-old runs simultaneously a school, a multi-million dollar business empire, and a yakuza-ish association.So no wonder past Aya is evil in a playful way - kids don't really develop morals until they go through puberty.
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The point is that Kago (either Souhaku, or his lookalike ancestor) is masquerading as Akechi Mitsuhide, who was rumoured to have survived the battle of Yamasaki and went on to serve Tokugawa Ieyasu as "Bishop Tenkai".Hollowshingami wrote:Wasn't the character who appeared as cutting off Nobunaga's head, who looks exactly like Souhaku, referred to as Akechi? Could it be that the Kago family has been controlled by Akechi for all this time? There's really no evidence, though. Although, the fact they both look the same and dress the same, should be a dead giveaway. Or it could be that Souhaku could be masquerading as Akechi, who knows.
When Akechi betrayed Nobunaga and killed him at Honnoji, both Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu (claiming to be loyal supporters of Oda) rushed to avenge Oda Nobunaga and kill Akechi. Toyotomi managed to do it first at Yamasaki.In the real world, Akechi Mitsuhide lost and was killed by Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Among historians, Toyotomi Hideyoshi's main purpose is unknown, but there was possibility that Hideyoshi knew Akechi's move on Nobunaga, but did not do anything to protect Nobunaga, but still most believe see Toyotomi as royal servent and supporter of Nobunaga.
I think Oh Great is using this theory.(Hideyoshi and Akechi as one Alliance)
Maybe she just doesn't like icky boys, she is just 9.kujoe wrote:Oh okay. Hmmm.
Well, one thing I would also like to see is how the Nagi Clan were hated (or came to be hated..?) throughout the times. That piece of info doesn't seem to be demonstrated enough so far. We only see Aya keeping Ichiyou away from her... Or perhaps, they were just exagerrating?
Well I'm not speculating on anything until I get the translation, what's the point? This flashback is going to go on at least 1-2 more chapters so we might as well sit back and wait.protocol7 wrote:once again for this period the posts become buried deep in japanese jargon.Almost beyond comprehension.your posts are too hard to read i can't understand shit! Seriously you guys are too hardcore for me so i'll just read what i can and post what i understand.
the whole point that i want to know is for what purpose.
why!why!why!