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Tenjo Tenge: Where the boys are bad, and the girls are badder.

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I know that you have been arguing about who should end up with who and who is who is the “True Warriorâ€￾and I find it very interesting. I am going to talk about two issues:

1. The characters goals and if they are going to achieve them.

2. The “True Warriorâ€￾.

I would like to say first the all that I’m going to say pure speculation, but at least I have some proof for speculation.

Souichoro Nagi- His goal is to become the strongest fighter ever so that he could protect his mother. Sounds ind of cheessy but okay. By the end of the manga he will probably the strongest. Maybe. He already has the power just lacks the focus. Who he will end up with is still unclear but it think is going to be Maya. If Maya did die I could possible that he going to end up with her. Why I think so? I’ll get to that in a second.

Bob Mikihara- Bob’s goal is to get stronger so that he could protect his girlfriend. A fair enough reason. I also think that he go to be one of the strongest to school. I would not be so if he become of the counsel members.

Maya Natsume- Maya goal is to, yes to defeat Mitsuomi but I think she is trying to sever from her dark past. She trying to prevent the past mistakes. If she accomplishes this is up to Oh Great, seeing she bad hurt the last couple of chapters. The reason I think she going to end up with Nagi is because throughout the entire manga Souichiro is trying to prove himself for her, which another goal that Souichiro is trying to accomplish which I forgot to mention.He could finally win her heart with a redeemable deed. If she did die, could it be possible Souichiro to steal Sohaku’s Technique revive people and revive Maya, thus allowing Maya accept him. Could be possible but then again My theory could be complete wrong and I have no idea want Oh Great is doing.

Aya Nutsume- Aya is an interesting character since I don’t know what Oh Great is trying to do with character. She may mental mature she may not is all up to Oh Great. I know that one of her goal is to win Nagi back but she has another, and to be as strong as her sister, Maya. By the end of the manga probably she will be as strong as Maya. She does have the potential. As for who will end up with, I think she will end up with Masataka. Why I think so? I will tell in a few minutes.

Masataka Takayanagi- Masataka goal is to win over Aya heart and to get respect his fellow martial artist and family.Will he accomplish his goal? For that question I going to go into my second issue since I think they are one in the same.

(Speculation)

Could it be possible that instead of referring to one “True Warriorâ€￾ but rather two warrior. One Dark, One Light.

In most animes and mangas the title usually sheds some light into the plot. Sometimes it’s obvious sometimes it’s not.
Ex: Last Exile- I didn’t know what Last Exile meant and what had to do with anime. I found out by the end of the anime that Last Exile meant last exit and that Exile was the name of the migration ship that transported people from a space station to earth and back.
Or
Naruto- Which is actually the name of the main character of the anime. (Simple)

Tenjho Tenge means Heaven & Earth.

If Souichiro has the Black Dragon of Earth, could it be possible that someone has the White Dragon of Heaven. Could they be referring to two Dragons like Yin & Yang and if so could that person Masataka. Why I think is Masataka well...

1. I think Oh Great is going further than Masataka having bad luck. Like for example when Masataka was taking on 80 people at the same without him being scratched Bob hit him the ball and he has to be helped out and Mitsuomi thinks that he is weak because he has to be carried out of a fight because of only 80 people. If that does not scream out foreshadowing I don’t know what will. I think is more than just bad luck, I think Oh Great is trying to letting us believe he is
not that important in that main plot. I think Masataka will play a much larger role later on.
2. Everybody ignores him and treat him badly, as if nobody care for him. Everybody thinks he is weak.
3. He has not fully shown his full power or maybe they haven’t awaken yet just like Maya’s.
4. Maya also mentions that Souichiro and Masataka are not that apart except that Souichiro don’t know how to use his chi.
5. Souichiro and Masataka, if you look closely, they both have opposite traits.
Souichiro- Hot Headed, Loud, Impatient, Impulsive
Masataka- Level Head, Quiet, Patient, Kind
Souichiro has darker traits but Masataka has kinder traits
Could be possible Souichiro represents Dark but not being Dark and Masataka represent Light
If this is true then I even an idea he would look like.
White hair oppose to Black air
Spiky hair oppose to Straight hair
he a dragon on his right arm instead of the left.
He would probably look like Super Saiyan Goku since they were joking about Masataka being a able to do Kamehameha wave. :wink:

Because Masataka was going to be the main character but Oh Great decided to go another direction and kept Nagi as that main character Oh Great might have done a couple change for example, maybe is was originally Masataka being to main character and Souichiro get Aya and changed it so that Souichiro is the main character and Masataka ends up with Aya, but like I said before I could be complete mistake.

P.S. I know I wrote a lot but I had to make sure I got my point through. Beside, I one of my hobbies to analyze animes and manga. Oh by that way Masataka Takayanagi happens to be may favorite character
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DivineDragon wrote:If Souichiro has the Black Dragon of Earth, could it be possible that someone has the White Dragon of Heaven.
I believe Makiko and Dougen were simply wondering what kind of dragon will awaken within Souichirou. Will it be the Nagi's 8th Gate or the Kago one? Hence, they conducted a scenario that would force Souichirou's red feather blood to awaken. (I think that was referenced on vol. 8... I think.)

As for the title, I've heard that "Tenjou Tenge" (Heaven and Earth) is actually derived from a Chinese phrase.
Roughly you can translate it to be "Heaven and Earth". It's an ancient Chinese term and has the meaning of "everything in heaven and on Earth". When using it by itself, "Tenjo Tenge" or "Tian Shang Tian Xia" means, "Everything in the known world", in Chinese and Japanese.

Now "Tian Shang Tian Xia Wei Wo Du Zun" is what the Buddha said when he was born. There was a Sutra which stated that when Buddha Sakiyamuni was born, he walked around and proclaimed this phrase before becoming a normal baby. The Chinese translation of what he said turned out to be that phase above, and it meant "In all of the world, I am the master/supreme" or something like that. "Tian Shang Tian Xia" in this sense is used not only to denote the entire world, but the entire Universe.

I have no idea where Oh! Great is going to go with that, if he's even going to make it fit thematically with his story. But the vibe is definitely there somewhere.

And no, no one actually considers Masataka weak. Not even Souichirou and Bob. And not even Mitsuomi. (He just doesn't want him involved.) Moreover, he really isn't ignored by others. In terms of plot, perhaps he doesn't have that much page time, but that's to be expected considering where we are at the moment. The reason why one would think he's ignored is because the object of his affections simply doesn't see him in the same way.

Perhaps things will change, but frankly the fates of the Dragon's Fist and Dragon's Eye are so intertwined that I can't imagine Aya leaving Souichirou's side anytime soon. Actually, I'd rather have Masataka and Mitsuomi reconcile their differences with each other, and get some things straight between the two of them. (Well, the man is dying...) All these unresolved bits don't necessarily have to pander to the so-called love game after all.
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I does strike me strange that Aya has been persuing him quite some time and yet their relationship has not changed. Aya has had a crush a crush on him like Masa on her, and still has not been neglected. Oh Great would have hinted of Souichiro's interest in her. Also, Oh Great was not drop Masataka's love for her. 15-16 Volumes in to the manga quite a long time. You could also be right though, Masataka probably ends up with someone else.
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For one thing, this isn't just some romance. And moreover, it's not just Masataka. The love polygon has been going on all this time, with Maya and Mitsuomi as the only pair with a "practically already there" level. Bob and Chiaki (and Asshat I assume) are all already spoken for.

All of the one-sided ones are:
Souichirou -> Maya
Aya -> Souichirou
Masataka -> Aya
Isuzu -> Mitsuomi

Later on, we have:
Madoka -> Masataka
Shizuru -> Souichirou

Right now, all of this is in the background. Which is good, in a sense. Can you imagine, that while all of the current mess is going on, all of them would be suddenly dealing with their love lives? Very few, if none at all will be ending up with the person they initially wanted.

To be fair though, it's only Aya who's been making a conscious effort of trying to surpass her sister and become stronger—for Souichirou and this whole mess—so there's some potential for development there. Isuzu on the other hand, has no chance in hell.
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I'm aware that this is not a romance manga. I was just trying show some of the aspect of the manga the Oh Great seems to be foreshadowing. Example, the Love Polygon. I could have easily have gone another direction rather than the the Love Polygon, sorry if I upset you.. I was not just trying to focus only on Masa but rather most of the characters in the manga, I just forgot what I was going to write down, but by the time I was half way through I forgot what is was to to write. sorry :?
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Hey, I wasn't upset. You don't have to apologize for anything.

If I came across as a bit too cold or arrogant, my apologies. :wink:
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Your right Masataka and Mitsuomi should settle their family idsputes. Since Mitsumi has little time left my Oh Great is trying to give Mitssuomi a heroes death, seeing as he is one the so called "villians" and does have much time left. Maybe it might trigger something in Masataka, :o like his personality or maybe his dragon powers who knows.

P.S. Is Maya REALLY DEAD? If so that would really suck. She really one of the most popular characters in the manga, I mean she is a sex symbol.
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I don't think that Maya would die but Oh!Great may want to end Tenjo Tenge in 17 volumes (after all it's coming out for 7 years), or kill both her and Mitsuomi at the same time (for many possible reasons). But Reiki spirit said that Aya can save them and Souichirou, so I think they won't die.
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So far, the Takayanagi family are more of a white feather type of clan, so I doubt they have any secret 8th gate. Mitsuomi even has a disdain for red feather abilities. Sure, Mitsuomi and Masataka have what it takes to maybe open any of the other 7 gates, (fire, water, earth...) but as those two have already proven, they really don't need to.

Maybe Mitsuomi won't have to die, but the recent turn of events does open a good opportunity for he and his brother to shine. Also, with Maya out of the picture for a while, (It sure does seem that way at least...) perhaps this is also a good opportunity for the story to focus on Aya.
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