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Post by Dominant Star » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:35 pm

Hm?? Maya is alive?? What happen to her now??

*Can't get the one mr.prophet uploaded because my connection is very bad...
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Post by Ricco » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:56 pm

Dominant Star wrote:Hm?? Maya is alive?? What happen to her now??

*Can't get the one mr.prophet uploaded because my connection is very bad...
She's in the hospital been taken cared by some weirdly dressed guys, from her vacant look she seems to be in a coma, also she is sporting some stiching in the corner of her lip and under her left eye.
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Post by Hariel0079 » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:10 pm

^The question that still remains which should be good, is when and how did they get Nagi and out.

Damn I really want to read that translation. I'm very interested in Shohaku and Aya's convo.
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Post by FuguTabetai » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:02 am

I'm at the Sumo tournament in Tokyo now with a friend (free wireless - nice) and bought this month's Ultra Jump to pass the time (these are 9 to 6 affairs) so might post up a summary later. If I read it. It also has some tjtg paper art that I might run a contest to give away.

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Post by kk1 » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:57 am

MrProphet wrote:Judging by the events of the Ancient Arc, Kago Souhaku's identity does indeed recide solely in his eye, as improbable and fantasyesque as that sounds.

I've reread the parts of Volume 14 dealing this this matter and Souhaku clearly states that Makiko's eye is not the source of the Dragon Gate, it is only the "storage" point through which he has extracted the Dragon Gates Makiko has collected.

So, apparently, without the ritual they've performed, the eye does not really matter, so Nagi's loss of an eye is essentially just a question of losing a body part. Souhaku eye is the essense of his immortality and his Dragon Gate, which does not hold true for both Nagis.

Whether Nagi stole Kago's Dragon Gate when he attacked him with Madoka does not really matter, since Souhaku's gate is stored in his eye, thus, once the eye passes from one body to another, the Dragon Gate goes with him.
Yeah, Makiko's eye was only to control the gates which were passed separtely to Tetsuhito during that "operation", which is why he lost control of them(that is he still had the gates even with out her eye) when Maya stabbed Makiko's eye. So Nagi never had his gates taken so he still has them.And Nagi never hits Souhaku so he couldn't have taken his gate(if that's even possible), does he even have one? he just seems to have the power to make ki rotate, I assume he would but one is never mentioned.
And I'm also wondering if Kabane and Shoujyou had something to do with Souhaku's present condition, heck maybe even Dougen, more questions than answers as usual.

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Post by FuguTabetai » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:47 am

Ricco wrote:
Dominant Star wrote:Hm?? Maya is alive?? What happen to her now??

*Can't get the one mr.prophet uploaded because my connection is very bad...
She's in the hospital been taken cared by some weirdly dressed guys, from her vacant look she seems to be in a coma, also she is sporting some stiching in the corner of her lip and under her left eye.
She is being taken care of people that all have the Hotaru Dragon's Palm power.

I read the chapter, and it pretty much doesn't have any useful information to say. I should be able to translate it pretty quickly. (Well, if I have time. I've got a friend from America visiting (http://goneliving.com/) and have been busy showing him around Tokyo.)

uh. Also, I'm very drunk. We were just at like 3 hours of all you can drink Karaoke.

and Sumo wrestling before that.

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Post by MrProphet » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:11 pm

FuguTabetai wrote:
She's in the hospital been taken cared by some weirdly dressed guys, from her vacant look she seems to be in a coma, also she is sporting some stiching in the corner of her lip and under her left eye.
She is being taken care of people that all have the Hotaru Dragon's Palm power.
When I first took a look at that image I thought that the masked people were warming their hands, since that woman is so hot. 8)

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Post by Agent_Wax » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:14 pm

When I first took a look at that image I thought that the masked people were warming their hands, since that woman is so hot.
Oh Yeah. She's so hot she's radioactive. :P Not that that would stop me warming my hands (and feet) on her...
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Post by kujoe » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:37 am

Um, feet..? :P
FuguTabetai wrote:uh. Also, I'm very drunk. We were just at like 3 hours of all you can drink Karaoke.
So getting drunk while singing karaoke? Man, I wonder how that sounded like. :P

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Post by FuguTabetai » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:31 am

It only gets better.

Most places have all you can drink courses to go along with the Karaoke, which encourages even more singing and overstays.

Anyway, that isn't really TJTG related. I will translate a bit more this evening though.

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Post by kidneo66 » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:46 am

sweet. i wish america had all you can drink buffets.

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Post by Agent_Wax » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:54 pm

kidneo66 wrote:sweet. i wish america had all you can drink buffets.
If they did, the terrorists would win. Or something. Whatever the hell that means. So remember, kids, always do whatever your government tells you to! :roll:

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Post by pv82 » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:51 am

Alright!!

That was a good arc, but I am glad everything is starting to come back.

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Post by DemonNeedle » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:21 pm

Yeah, I want to see how everyone improved since the whole saving soichiro.

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Post by FuguTabetai » Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:20 pm

finished chapter 98 translation. The chapter is ok I guess, but I don't like how they skipped over the conclusion from last week just to build tension.

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Post by Dembol » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:57 am

FuguTabetai wrote:The chapter is ok I guess, but I don't like how they skipped over the conclusion from last week just to build tension.
The conclusion will be in the next past arc just before something really important for the plot and it will be 10 volumes long :twisted:

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Post by Ricco » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:45 pm

After reading the translations I came to the conclusion that the reason we didn't see what happened right after 97 is that nothing really happened after Chapter 97(nothing big). Let me explain, from what Nagi said about his memory and what Souhaku told Aya, I get the feeling that after Aya came back to the present she did nothing, nothing at all. Nagi got back on his own, Maya was transported to the hospital by Mits, Inue made her escape and Madoka helped Shizuru and what's his name finish of the guards...

It would seem that we jumped forward in time so Aya's reason to keep quiet about Souhaku's being inside Nagi was not know to us, as to not spoil the new(and final) plot.
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Post by Sleepy Weasel » Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:53 pm

some did happen, but yes it does seem like aya did nothing, or couldnt do anything. By the time she got back it apreard most everything had taken place.

but, there is still some important things that were missed. like the things Souhaku now knows about Maya's condition, and exactly how they got out of there and back. If nagi cant remember anythnig he sure as hell didnt get back on his own, and where is reiki?

I think he skipped it so he can use it as flash backs later. not just another arc but as material to explain stuff in a more dramatic way.

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Post by MrProphet » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:48 pm

Judging by what Souhaku tells Aya, it seems like they have struck some kind of a bargain: Aya keeps quiet about what she learned from the past and Souhaku somehow keeps Souichirou and Maya alive. Or perhaps he promised her that Souichirou will not die in the end and that he will revive Maya.

In any case, whatever the bargain was, nobody except Aya knows that Souhaku is in there.

I wonder what else Aya promised Souhaku? Perhaps we'll have a betrayal at the Tournament with Aya and Nahi/Kago turning on Jyuukenbu/Enforcers.

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Post by HappyStealer » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:15 pm

hmm wonder if any of this relates to ichiyou not killing/unable to kill souhaku in the previous chapters....... Not sure but man, what a tough secret to keep when the guy you love and your sister are at teh mercy of some guy.... Also, argh, what is happening!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL! I think that is what is on everyone's mind.... starting to really like aya tho.... becoming one of my fav tenten characters.

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Post by kujoe » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:36 pm

I haven't read the translations yet, but I don't understand the logic behind Souhaku's conditions. If he does kill Souichirou, can he even survive within his dead body? (I'm assuming that corpses possess no ki whatsoever.) And I don't understand how it's even possible for him to hold the life of Maya in his hands.

Seriously, is there even something he can't do?

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Post by Ricco » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:57 am

MrProphet wrote:Judging by what Souhaku tells Aya, it seems like they have struck some kind of a bargain: Aya keeps quiet about what she learned from the past and Souhaku somehow keeps Souichirou and Maya alive. Or perhaps he promised her that Souichirou will not die in the end and that he will revive Maya.

In any case, whatever the bargain was, nobody except Aya knows that Souhaku is in there.

I wonder what else Aya promised Souhaku? Perhaps we'll have a betrayal at the Tournament with Aya and Nahi/Kago turning on Jyuukenbu/Enforcers.
The bargain MrProphet is talking about is not mentioned in the translation, it's implied by what Souhaku says to Aya and to me it felt more like: "If you don't defeat Mits in the election tournament, I'll take over Nagi and kill him myself, but if you do I'll heal Maya and leave Nagi".

I deduced this from the fact Aya says: "We absolutely, we absolutely must win" and the "this school was once called paradise" which was the main reason they wanted to win the upcoming election tournament in the first place, add the ancient arc plus the current arc and you get: War as a tournament.

Maybe creating a warrior capable of defeating Mits is the only thing Souhaku ever wanted, that or he's tricking Aya into doing his dirty work.
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Post by kk1 » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:10 am

Ricco wrote:[

Maybe creating a warrior capable of defeating Mits is the only thing Souhaku ever wanted, that or he's tricking Aya into doing his dirty work.
Doubt it since he pretty much put Mits in power and probably could have had Tets last 3 minutes against him and then just kill him if he wanted.

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Post by HappyStealer » Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:10 pm

Souhaku is jsut someone whos hard to figure out. His intentions and motives are completely sparatic atm. Maybe it'll make sense later on but for now, I'm confuzeled.

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Post by Agent_Wax » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:56 am

Ok. I just finished reading. This is what I think went down:

Souhaku's eye is still in Soichirou. Either Souhaku can't take over his son completely, or he's lying dormant for some reason. Aya had to use the Dragon Eye to 'see' Souhaku's ki and hear him. Judging by his words to her, she struck a deal with him to allow his eye to remain in Soichirou, probably because she's convinced that playing along with Souhaku for now is the safest course of action for all involved. Maya's dead, at least mentally, and only her body is alive. Perhaps this was the impetus for Aya to cooperate with Souhaku. He probably promised to leave Soichirou once he got what he wanted. Soichirou's memory has been altered, obviously. Souhaku might also be easier to control and fool if he's only an eyeball...

On the bright side, it looks like the Takayanagi are putting a counter-plan into effect, courtesy of Kabane and Shyoujyou...

So, in a nutshell, the situation / standoff with Souhaku HASN'T been resolved, and we didn't really miss anything since the previous chapter. Aya is keeping pretty much everyone else on the team in the dark in order to deal with Souhaku...
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Post by tkstka » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:43 pm

MrProphet wrote:Judging by what Souhaku tells Aya, it seems like they have struck some kind of a bargain: Aya keeps quiet about what she learned from the past and Souhaku somehow keeps Souichirou and Maya alive. Or perhaps he promised her that Souichirou will not die in the end and that he will revive Maya.

In any case, whatever the bargain was, nobody except Aya knows that Souhaku is in there.
I feel you on this, but I think we haven't seen last of Shin... I think Aya had much bigger bond to his brother then Aya had on Maya. She will be asking of the resurection of her brother shin.

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Post by HappyStealer » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:52 pm

shin's dead...... I don't tink Oh!Great is gonna pull a ressurection at this stage of the manga.......

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Post by DemonNeedle » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:00 pm

He's talking about as in spirit as Shin has appeared before Maya, Aya, and Bunshichi.

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Post by Dominant Star » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:48 am

Agent_Wax wrote:Ok. I just finished reading. This is what I think went down:

Maya's dead, at least mentally, and only her body is alive. Perhaps this was the impetus for Aya to cooperate with Souhaku. He probably promised to leave Soichirou once he got what he wanted. Soichirou's memory has been altered, obviously. Souhaku might also be easier to control and fool if he's only an eyeball...


So, in a nutshell, the situation / standoff with Souhaku HASN'T been resolved, and we didn't really miss anything since the previous chapter. Aya is keeping pretty much everyone else on the team in the dark in order to deal with Souhaku...
Now these has really made my mind blur...

First... about Maya. What was and is happening to her? Is she still alive or dead. Dead mentally.... do you mean she has become a zombie of some sort???

Second... the bargain between Souhaku and Aya... can anyone elaborate a little on these?
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Post by HappyStealer » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:03 pm

Well I think everyone is assuming that souhaku struck a deal with aya to keep both nagi and somehow revive maya from the dialogue in the last several pages but still, its what everyone thinks it is and it is still speculation since we don't have complete proof that that is what went on.

Erm also, with maya, she's a potato. Her brains fried but she's somewhat alive....... or so we think.....

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Post by Kiden491 » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:12 pm

Don't worry Maya is gonna come back eventually. In a manga, nobody puts a character into a coma and leaves it like that.

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Post by HappyStealer » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:31 pm

I'm more interested in Aya atm anyways. Her character seems to have matured a bit so yea.....

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Post by Raymond » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:05 pm

Well at least she doesn't seem to be so obsessed with Nagi in an attached way anymore.
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Post by HappyStealer » Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:29 am

tell me about it, that was hella annoying....

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Post by attonbitus » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:58 pm

I finaly got caught back up... and man what a weird story this has turned out to be.

Any how... I'm pretty sure Maya is "dead" in that her soul is gone. I forsee Souhaku doing his Ki cirulating thing to bring her "back" and use her in some manner to cause chaos or whatever evil immortal bad guys do.

So while i was getting caught up I'm still not clear about what Soukau's goal is. Well I'm sorta on to it. Is he trying to get all the Dragon Gates into one body?

As far as Aya suppressing him or some much, i don't think that really the case. I'm pretty sure he's just laying low while the other Red feathers show up and when the time is right he'll take over Nagi's body and eat their gates too :p.

Which lead me back to what Takayanagi (the dad and in some ways Mitsuomi) is trying to do. I'm guessing it's something like if you gather enough "super" people in one area they'll awaken "powers" in all the other people or something like that so that everyone in the world will have powers or some such.

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Post by kk1 » Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:00 am

attonbitus wrote:
Which lead me back to what Takayanagi (the dad and in some ways Mitsuomi) is trying to do. I'm guessing it's something like if you gather enough "super" people in one area they'll awaken "powers" in all the other people or something like that so that everyone in the world will have powers or some such.
Everyone who has powers(red feathers), that are now latent, will "awaken".

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Post by tkstka » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:39 am

Ya! but what do you think? if Maya is "dead". it means she isn't coming back
so that will make presure in Aya... I think she is the True warrior.

I like Tawara to be the true warrior but I think that is not the case...

By the way is the 99 chapter come out in Japan?
and if not. when it will come out?

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Post by Sleepy Weasel » Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:49 pm

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Post by Vampire Advent » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:54 pm

kk1 wrote:
attonbitus wrote:
Which lead me back to what Takayanagi (the dad and in some ways Mitsuomi) is trying to do. I'm guessing it's something like if you gather enough "super" people in one area they'll awaken "powers" in all the other people or something like that so that everyone in the world will have powers or some such.
Everyone who has powers(red feathers), that are now latent, will "awaken".
And this end up like X men with mutant humans and normal humans. People with powers and those without warring against each other till one goes adios permanently.

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Post by Gigei » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:46 am

Well it was all explained or foreshadowed already way back in chapter 78.
Inue: Using the arts to bring back your memory isn't the ideal way to go about it. Like we discovered with Mawari Madoka's case your battle capability may decline remarkably.

Souhaku: All I want to know is one thing. Will I be ready for the tournament?

Inue: Even if it costs me, Inue Shindayuu's life, I'll make it happen.
In retrospect, this conversation was about his plan to take over his son's body (the line previous to that was talking about him running away) and how his memories or possibly control would not be complete...

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Post by kk1 » Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:04 am

Gigei wrote:Well it was all explained or foreshadowed already way back in chapter 78.
Inue: Using the arts to bring back your memory isn't the ideal way to go about it. Like we discovered with Mawari Madoka's case your battle capability may decline remarkably.

Souhaku: All I want to know is one thing. Will I be ready for the tournament?

Inue: Even if it costs me, Inue Shindayuu's life, I'll make it happen.
In retrospect, this conversation was about his plan to take over his son's body (the line previous to that was talking about him running away) and how his memories or possibly control would not be complete...

Yeah I remeber that, hmm I wonder what the memory part means though, since in the past he took over Shoujyou's body so easily.

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