Oh CMX, I guess you don't want my money after all
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Well, it's been only a couple of days since the whole uproar started, perhaps they are just thinking what to do.
Of course, they are going to do jack if they think they are in no danger of losing sales. I am amazed that they didn't think this would happen before, but hey, it's a major case of FUBAR, what do you want?
Of course, they are going to do jack if they think they are in no danger of losing sales. I am amazed that they didn't think this would happen before, but hey, it's a major case of FUBAR, what do you want?
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We'll see what happens. I personally think CMX will try to salvage the situation, but I have no basis for that belief whatsoever. In any case, it doesn't really bother me, since I'll just keep reading in Japanese.
I am curious how the text of their translation turned out, but nobody has really been talking about that.
We'll see what happens. I personally think CMX will try to salvage the situation, but I have no basis for that belief whatsoever. In any case, it doesn't really bother me, since I'll just keep reading in Japanese.
I am curious how the text of their translation turned out, but nobody has really been talking about that.
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They did a good job text translation. Took a bit of freedom in regards to localization. Nagi reads like a punk. Bob, similarly as well. In fact the 6 page preview they had pretty much reads like the first six pages. I didn't get to read all of it since I was too busy looking for censored art but all in all the text translation is ok. No complaints about that in the dc boards.
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A response from CMX on the issue:
http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.p ... o=&fpart=1
Asako Suzuki is director of manga at CMX.
http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.p ... o=&fpart=1
Asako Suzuki is director of manga at CMX.
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I read the discussion as well, with much interest.
I don't agree that CMX is saying "we don't care" - clearly they do care. But that doesn't mean that they have an economic incentive to go out of their way to please fans.
It looks like they are going to a "teen" rating from volume 9 on (which is still too tame IMHO) but at least they are engaging the community in some discussion now.
Personally, I think it is better to have edited Tenjo Tenge in English than none at all, but I'm glad that I can keep up with the Japanese version.
I don't agree that CMX is saying "we don't care" - clearly they do care. But that doesn't mean that they have an economic incentive to go out of their way to please fans.
It looks like they are going to a "teen" rating from volume 9 on (which is still too tame IMHO) but at least they are engaging the community in some discussion now.
Personally, I think it is better to have edited Tenjo Tenge in English than none at all, but I'm glad that I can keep up with the Japanese version.
Well, usually when I see that kind of not very specific answer (especially his 2nd post) I just think of it as some kind of crowd control. "There, there. I told you we care, now can you please be quiet?"
And I don't fall for that "teen" thing, that's just a sales trick, it's not like they are going to edit the contents any differently. I bet alot of people who previously gave up on the CMX version are tempted to give volume 9 a go because of this.
Suspicious by nature, that's me. I certainly hope I'm wrong though.
And I don't fall for that "teen" thing, that's just a sales trick, it's not like they are going to edit the contents any differently. I bet alot of people who previously gave up on the CMX version are tempted to give volume 9 a go because of this.
Suspicious by nature, that's me. I certainly hope I'm wrong though.
You know. It sounds more like an attempt to compete with Del Rey. Ya know on the 25th Air Gear comes out...uncensured. I've given up on CMX but I'm pretty sure Del Rey won't poorly translate, or even edited his works. I'm pretty sure he did it for a reason but I can't speak for a man I've never met so ya know.
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I think the timing of the response is interesting. Asako Suzuki (Asako is a girl's name, BTW) and Jim Chadwick (editor of some volumes of TenTen) were going to attend last week's Anime Expo 2006. I think she posted that message to try and minimise the risk of angry fans turning up at their booth demanding a response.kidneo66 wrote:You know. It sounds more like an attempt to compete with Del Rey. Ya know on the 25th Air Gear comes out...uncensured. I've given up on CMX but I'm pretty sure Del Rey won't poorly translate, or even edited his works. I'm pretty sure he did it for a reason but I can't speak for a man I've never met so ya know.
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Natsume Maya wrote:I think the timing of the response is interesting. Asako Suzuki (Asako is a girl's name, BTW).kidneo66 wrote:You know. It sounds more like an attempt to compete with Del Rey. Ya know on the 25th Air Gear comes out...uncensured. I've given up on CMX but I'm pretty sure Del Rey won't poorly translate, or even edited his works. I'm pretty sure he did it for a reason but I can't speak for a man I've never met so ya know.
Yeah that was pretty funny, people supposedly familiar with Japanese manga addressing her as a guy
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Toon Zone report on CMX at the San Diego Comic Con event last week:
http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=11642
In particular:
"In the wake of their announcement that they currently have no plans for an uncut release of Tenjho Tenge, CMX turned out a fairly big crowd at San Diego Comic-Con and the vitriol was evident in the room. However, they came with a tone of amends, mentioning that even if they wanted to do an uncut after the edited version finished, the licence would run out before they could complete it anyway."
http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=11642
In particular:
"In the wake of their announcement that they currently have no plans for an uncut release of Tenjho Tenge, CMX turned out a fairly big crowd at San Diego Comic-Con and the vitriol was evident in the room. However, they came with a tone of amends, mentioning that even if they wanted to do an uncut after the edited version finished, the licence would run out before they could complete it anyway."
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How long is their licence for? Why would you get a limited licence for on ongoing manga? Sounds like more BS.Natsume Maya wrote:Toon Zone report on CMX at the San Diego Comic Con event last week:
http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=11642
In particular:
"In the wake of their announcement that they currently have no plans for an uncut release of Tenjho Tenge, CMX turned out a fairly big crowd at San Diego Comic-Con and the vitriol was evident in the room. However, they came with a tone of amends, mentioning that even if they wanted to do an uncut after the edited version finished, the licence would run out before they could complete it anyway."
Licenses DO lapse eventually. That's not unusual and more common, actually.kk1 wrote:How long is their licence for? Why would you get a limited licence for on ongoing manga? Sounds like more BS.
Although, license contracts usually last for several years, it's impossible to say anything in each particular case as contracts differ all the time.
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Perhaps the licence is in terms of something like "until 2 years after the manga ends in Japan". Also, perhaps CMX wasn't sure whether TenTen was going to be a good seller for them and so only got a more limited licence (with the intention of extending the licence if the manga sold well).kk1 wrote:How long is their licence for? Why would you get a limited licence for on ongoing manga? Sounds like more BS.
So I don't think what was said at SDCC is necessarily BS. But I think it does call into question the frankness of the first response - that they may consider doing an uncensored version. If that was said in the knowledge that they wouldn't have the time to actually do it, then IMO it was just a cynical attempt to avoid angry fans at Anime Expo (where the CMX director of manga and the TenTen editor were attending).
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