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who's still a virgin?

Post by Jakkaru » Tue May 10, 2005 6:24 am

This is my first post here i just felt like asking the question. I have a good guess that Aya, Maya, Madoka, Masataka, and Souichirou are but who else can you think of?
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Post by geohound03 » Tue May 10, 2005 8:37 am

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Re: who's still a virgin?

Post by kk1 » Tue May 10, 2005 8:55 am

Jakkaru wrote:This is my first post here i just felt like asking the question. I have a good guess that Aya, Maya, Madoka, Masataka, and Souichirou are but who else can you think of?
I don't know about Maya it's possible her and Mits hooked up(though I doubt OG would pass up the chance to show it) and since we can't know what has happened in the past or "off-screen" I think we can only be sure of who isn't rather than who is. So of the characters alive now, Mits, Bob,Chiaki, Asshat(confirmed by his girls) and obviously anyone with kids aren't but everyone else could then be presumed to be virgins.

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Post by MrProphet » Tue May 10, 2005 2:35 pm

I think we can be pretty sure about Maya and Aya, since both are so uptight and formal about the whole thing. Also, Nagi is way too immature for any kind of relationship.

I am not sure only about Masataka, with all the looks he's been getting from the girls at school. You never know...

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Post by Asunder » Tue May 10, 2005 2:54 pm

Unless if Masataka has some secret Takayanagi family techniques, it's pretty safe to say that he's not equipped to be able to satisfy his potential lovers, though.

I wonder if Isuzu is still a virgin, though.

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Post by kujoe » Tue May 10, 2005 6:16 pm

Er... what about Bunshichi?

Has he found the paizuri version of the holy grail yet?

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Post by MrProphet » Tue May 10, 2005 9:51 pm

It doesn't count. Not even in a billclintonesque world. 8)

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Post by kk1 » Wed May 11, 2005 12:20 am

MrProphet wrote: I am not sure only about Masataka, with all the looks he's been getting from the girls at school. You never know...
No one getting any on a regular basis would be having so many uhmm...messy dreams.

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Post by EliteF22 » Wed May 11, 2005 12:56 am

I'm sorry, but the only person I can see being not affected by Masataka's lack of equipment is Aya and her blind devotion. If she ever gets around to viewing him as a man it'd be interesting. Possible Aya saying, "I don't care how small it is, I will always act like I enjoy it."

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Post by kujoe » Wed May 11, 2005 1:24 am

Well, he does have a following among the girls at school...

But oh, if they only knew... if they only knew indeed.

Still, that shouldn't be the most important thing to consider in a realistic sense--but it's sort of ironic considering the comical side of Masataka's character.

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Post by Keluangman » Wed May 11, 2005 1:32 am

considering bob and asshat getting too much :twisted:
theres not enough room for the rest
i think nagi could get some if hes in his dragon form 8)

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Post by Jakkaru » Wed May 11, 2005 6:31 am

kujoe wrote:Er... what about Bunshichi?

Has he found the paizuri version of the holy grail yet?
he's the last person i'd think would be a virgin


on a side note does anyone know of a proper avatar that shows off I-no's sexiness :D
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Post by ZoddGuts » Thu May 12, 2005 5:29 am

Wasn't Maya rape in the past arc which caused Shin to go crazy?

Aya is virgin she said it herself in Vol 1.

Nagi is likely to be a virgin he wasn't popular with the ladies till now, girls like Maya, Aya and that what's her name new girl you know with the strong legs lol are interested in Nagi. Maybe he'll have a foursome. 8)

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Post by kk1 » Thu May 12, 2005 8:35 am

ZoddGuts wrote:Wasn't Maya rape in the past arc which caused Shin to go crazy?
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No, she wasn't.

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Post by zangetsu » Thu May 12, 2005 10:29 am

Nagi is way too immature for any kind of relationship.
Not to mention the guy only ever kissed one girl in his life, and it was unintentional.

Emi and that Bo staff guy are supposed to be very old fashioned right? and she's probably to into Mits to let any other guy near her.

As for those who arent? well, that Tranny made a comment about liking big black dudes, and I higly doubt Shin was a virgin seeing how easy his girlfriend was. So I'd add him to list with Bob and the others. And Tetsuhito's gotta be getting some. He's a grown man, seems pretty self confident, comfortable with his nakedness and I can't picture him saving himself.
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Post by geohound03 » Thu May 12, 2005 2:32 pm

ZoddGuts wrote:Wasn't Maya rape in the past arc which caused Shin to go crazy?
I don't know why everyone always thinks that, they just beat her up and ripped her shirt up.

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Post by ZoddGuts » Sun May 15, 2005 1:15 am

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ZoddGuts wrote:Wasn't Maya rape in the past arc which caused Shin to go crazy?
I don't know why everyone always thinks that, they just beat her up and ripped her shirt up.
I don't that's how it seemed to me her clothes being ripped off was a way to show as to what is going to happen to her and wasn't she crying after everything happend? Maya donesn't seem the type of girl who would cry if she was beaten up more like "ha ha is that all you got spits at the bad guys face" person. Plus to me it makes more sense why Shin flipped out seeing Maya after being raped.

Or maybe I'm just wrong? Can you tell me what Volume and chapter this took place I want to view it again to see if I'm remembering correctly or not.

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Post by ShinHitokiriX » Sun May 15, 2005 6:13 am

ZoddGuts wrote:
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ZoddGuts wrote:Wasn't Maya rape in the past arc which caused Shin to go crazy?
I don't know why everyone always thinks that, they just beat her up and ripped her shirt up.
I don't that's how it seemed to me her clothes being ripped off was a way to show as to what is going to happen to her and wasn't she crying after everything happend? Maya donesn't seem the type of girl who would cry if she was beaten up more like "ha ha is that all you got spits at the bad guys face" person. Plus to me it makes more sense why Shin flipped out seeing Maya after being raped.

Or maybe I'm just wrong? Can you tell me what Volume and chapter this took place I want to view it again to see if I'm remembering correctly or not.
Volume 7 chapter 40 continuing into chapter 41 Dude it wuz staged to make Shin think they had raped her so it would make him go berserk ur looking into it way too much

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Post by Shinpachi » Sun May 15, 2005 7:57 am

Lol, "Dude it wuz staged to make Shin think they had raped her" Who's reading too much into it? The simplest explanation is that she was raped. Hell, I wouldn't blame them, if I were an evil guy and I had the chance I'd rape her too.

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Post by MrProphet » Sun May 15, 2005 9:31 am

I concur that it was staged to make Shin go crazy. It's the most obvious explanation.

She was not raped... not even a hint of that.

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Post by FuguTabetai » Sun May 15, 2005 10:29 am

MrProphet wrote:I concur that it was staged to make Shin go crazy. It's the most obvious explanation.

She was not raped... not even a hint of that.
I disagree. I think it was left intentionally ambiguous. I personally think Maya was raped. It makes the story more powerfull, believable, and fits in well with the Tenjo Tenge universe. It would surprise me more if she wasn't raped. I think it wasn't illustrated like the other sex scenes because it was rape, and Oh! Great wanted there to be an emotional impact as opposed to sexy drawings for kids to jerk off to.

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Post by MrProphet » Sun May 15, 2005 11:10 am

Because it was ambiguous, it does not mean she was.

The whole point why it was ambiguous and realistic was to make Shin believe that something has happened. It does not mean it did actually happen.

Fu Chi'en had absolutely NO reason to order the rape. His only purpose was to inflame Shin. That and nothing else.

As long as Shin believed that Maya was violated, he has accomplished the purpose. Actually raping her was not necessary and there is no proof that it actually happened.

In fact, the speed with which Maya has recovered leads me to believe that she was only beaten up. Rape victims do NOT recover so fast.

PS Just in case, Chiaki wasn't actually raped either, as we know, so that's not an argument, I hope.

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Post by FuguTabetai » Sun May 15, 2005 3:32 pm

MrProphet wrote: Fu Chi'en had absolutely NO reason to order the rape. His only purpose was to inflame Shin. That and nothing else.

As long as Shin believed that Maya was violated, he has accomplished the purpose. Actually raping her was not necessary and there is no proof that it actually happened.
Occams razor leads me to believe she was raped. Why stage some elaborate ploy, when actually raping her would piss off Shin?
MrProphet wrote: In fact, the speed with which Maya has recovered leads me to believe that she was only beaten up. Rape victims do NOT recover so fast.
In the real world.
MrProphet wrote: PS Just in case, Chiaki wasn't actually raped either, as we know, so that's not an argument, I hope.
Chiaki was raped, although she did try to (not very successfully) lie about it to make Bob feel better. I agree that this is again up to one's interpretation, but I really think she was raped.

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Post by MrProphet » Sun May 15, 2005 4:05 pm

Well, leaving Maya to her own devices, how did you gather that Chiaki was lying? She seemed pretty convincing to me...

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Post by Banorac » Sun May 15, 2005 4:36 pm

Fu's pawns had their pants up and were still holding Maya's ripped clothes, hence Maya wasn't raped, ...

that's the way I see it, though the two page drawing could hint out she was :?

Chiaki *was* raped, you'd have to be pretty gullable to believe her poor excuse, plus in Bob's case he doesn't want to believe I guess :)
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Post by EliteF22 » Sun May 15, 2005 4:49 pm

I've looked back over that scene and I can't see any hard evidence that she was or was not raped for that matter. It's just really ambiguous. I've got one question though. On page 1 of volume 7 ch. 41 the just after they've ripped off her clothes, what do those katchya, katchya sound effects supposed to represent? It looked like Fu's men were nodding in agreement that the scene had the right look. Were these the sound effects for nodding? Well, assuming Maya was a virgin, if she was raped then there probably would be a little blood.

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Post by Banorac » Sun May 15, 2005 4:57 pm

I'd read that as ripping clothes, being those are on that page, I don't have my book lying next to me so :)
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Post by kk1 » Sun May 15, 2005 5:15 pm

MrProphet wrote:Well, leaving Maya to her own devices, how did you gather that Chiaki was lying? She seemed pretty convincing to me...
Chiaki was raped, Enma Enmi was too (there's one small panel with one of the motorcycle brothers with his pants around his ankles), Maya wasn't simply because there was no time and contrary to OG's other graphic portrayls no other evidence (ie fluids etc.).
But back to the time thing it was all being shown concurrent with what Shin was doing at the same time and he left Dougen before Maya even went into the room, there's no way in the time it took Shin to get to the room anything could have happened to Maya. It was all staged to bring about the exact effect on Shin that happened, Maya was beat up but there's no way she's that weak that she'd just lie there and get raped, they'd have had to beat her unconciouss first. She could still scream, Shin wouldn't have heard that?Fu even says when she's lying there with her clothes on "it makes a nice picture but still doesn't have enough impact, your clothes are in the way", obviously meaning Shin just thinking she's only been beat up won't get him mad enough so it has to "look like" something else happened.
Fu's men are also always show standing there's a sound effect from the men at the start of fight 41 "kacha kacha" which in the context of the scene could be Fu's men undoing the clasp on their belts...I'll go as far as saying Fu's men may have covered Maya in ...well...you get the idea(but even that's not depicted soo...), but not that they raped her. Also she just doesn't act like someone who was raped afterwards, whereas with Chiaki OG shows that even though she tries to play it off at first(thus leading to the confusion in her case) she later breaks down about it at the bowling alley.
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Post by Banorac » Sun May 15, 2005 5:18 pm

Wow, please write in paragraphs next time :wink:


Yeah, though I'd say what you said about them 'jizzing' is just your fantasy :P
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Post by kk1 » Sun May 15, 2005 5:21 pm

Banorac wrote:Wow, please write in paragraphs next time :wink:


Yeah, though I'd say what you said about them 'jizzing' is just your fantasy :P
Uhh I don't fantasize about men doing that, thank you very much and they unbuckled their pants to do "something".

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Post by geohound03 » Sun May 15, 2005 5:22 pm

This subject is of much debate. Personally I do not think she was raped. The last person put it well - she didn't act like someone who had been raped afterwards.

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Post by Banorac » Sun May 15, 2005 5:22 pm

I didn't say you fantasise about that at all :?

However you used your fantasy/ imagination to come to that conclusion ...
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Post by geohound03 » Sun May 15, 2005 5:28 pm

hahaha.... can't help but laught about the 'jizzing' thing. Maybe OG should use that as a sound effect.

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Post by ZoddGuts » Sun May 15, 2005 5:51 pm

MrProphet wrote:Well, leaving Maya to her own devices, how did you gather that Chiaki was lying? She seemed pretty convincing to me...
Because as someone else already said Chiaki "she broke down in the alley" she blamed Maya for the fact that she was rape.

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Post by Jakkaru » Mon May 16, 2005 6:29 am

you guys sure know how to get off topic
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Post by FuguTabetai » Mon May 16, 2005 7:47 am

MrProphet wrote:Well, leaving Maya to her own devices, how did you gather that Chiaki was lying? She seemed pretty convincing to me...
Her actions and language when she was explaining to Bob what happened. It isn't a clear thing either, so it is debateable. I just know what I think on the matter though.

Also, I vaugely recall her saying that she lied about it much later. But I might have just made that up. I think there are lots of people here that know a lot more about Tenjo Tenge than I do; I just translate it for fun...

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Post by kujoe » Wed May 18, 2005 12:48 am

Well, as far as who the main rape victims in this manga are, I personally think there's only one: Chiaki. No need to explain this extensively, though I also think that if the author chose to focus more on her, there would be more implicit emphasis on her gradual recovery. Not to mention, it sort of relates with her wish that Bob quit school.

I wouldn't consider the Enma shrine maiden as being a rape victim as well, in the sense that someone did the deed with her forcibly. No doubt, she was physically tortured in different kinds of ways--but personally, I also read that small panel as some guy getting caught with his pants down just when he was about to do the real thing. And I just can't picture Mataza being the straightforward rapist type either. He was just fucked up as his methods were, hence his penchance for straps and sharp tools among other things.
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Post by kk1 » Wed May 18, 2005 12:53 am

kujoe wrote:
I wouldn't see the Enma shrine maiden as being a rape victim either, in the sense that someone did the deed with her forcibly. No doubt, she was heavily tortured sexually and physically--but personally, I also read that small panel as some guy getting caught with his pants down just when he was about to do the real thing.
Check the panel of well..."fluids" between her feet in the panel right before or after that, that ain't water.

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Post by kujoe » Wed May 18, 2005 12:54 am

I wouldn't say that was water too, you know.

But that's also open to interpretation, though I wouldn't really bother.

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Post by User151 » Wed May 18, 2005 2:45 am

kk1 wrote:
kujoe wrote:
I wouldn't see the Enma shrine maiden as being a rape victim either, in the sense that someone did the deed with her forcibly. No doubt, she was heavily tortured sexually and physically--but personally, I also read that small panel as some guy getting caught with his pants down just when he was about to do the real thing.
Check the panel of well..."fluids" between her feet in the panel right before or after that, that ain't water.
well what if those "fluids" r hers.... I don't think she was raped just tortured

and for maya, i think she was raped also she's a strong gal and she wouldn't cry just for being stripped naked.

I'm sure chiaki was raped also. Ryuuzaki kinda like a guy to go for such thing.
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