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Too good to be true?

Post by kk1 » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:44 am

I always thought Oh! Great's art was great and that even though his women look great they were still unrealistic them I stumbled across this
http://www.lucy-pinder.net/forum/module ... _photo.php#
mow compare that to the picture of Aya where she's going to go swimming in the well with Mataza's dad to find the Enmi family scroll in fight 60 of vol 10, the pose and proportions are uncanny :shock:

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Post by EliteF22 » Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:17 am

Ha, you just discover Lucy Pinder? She's ok. Resemblance may be there, but she doesn't match up to Aya. Lucy Pinder's frame is more bulky. The way Oh! Great draws em there's not many women that can match up. Well, if you want natural that is. Besides I'd feel sorry for a women with Aya or Maya's measurements. Unless, she has really strong lower and upper back muscles she's going to have some major back problems.

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Post by FuguTabetai » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:50 am

EliteF22 wrote:Unless, she has really strong lower and upper back muscles she's going to have some major back problems.
Wouldn't they make sure, in their copious training, that those muscles were at least up to the daily task of support? :)

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Post by MrProphet » Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:13 pm

No matter how strong her back is...it's going to sag somewhat with age.

Makiko is one lucky gal, I'm telling you...

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Post by kk1 » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:13 am

EliteF22 wrote:Ha, you just discover Lucy Pinder? She's ok. Resemblance may be there, but she doesn't match up to Aya. Lucy Pinder's frame is more bulky. The way Oh! Great draws em there's not many women that can match up. Well, if you want natural that is. Besides I'd feel sorry for a women with Aya or Maya's measurements. Unless, she has really strong lower and upper back muscles she's going to have some major back problems.
Well I don't really care about the chick and obviously Aya's not going to match up since she's supposed to be younger, probably shorter and Japanese, but my point was how much more impressed I am with Oh! Great's artwork. A similaryly built girl looks almost identical to his drawing I'm assuming he drew without a model, that's pretty impressive to me.

As for back problems I think that's BS, how come girls who get implants who've never carried around that extra weight before and so I'm assuming would have weaker muscles never complain? Women are always just complaining about something, the only thing I feel sorry about is women built like that are doomed to a life of oggling and lower expectations by almost every guy that meets them.

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Post by Solaris » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:37 am

From what I understand, neck and back problems in women with implants are less common than in women who have naturally large breasts, just because implants tend to weigh less than real breasts (assuming they're not GIGANTIC implants). Since both Maya and Aya can probably be said to have breasts that are disproportionately large for their frames, they'd probably be experiencing some pain if they were real, 3D women. But I guess that's the point of their being fictional characters. In Oh!Great's personal world, all the women probably emit some sort of special anti-gravity field and have breast tendons that never stretch.

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Post by kk1 » Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:09 pm

Well maybe that's the real reason why Maya is chibi all the time, no boobs.

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Post by MrProphet » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:46 pm

So, she is... ahem... saving herself for Mitsuomi is more ways than one. 8)

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Post by Agent_Wax » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:45 pm

As for back problems I think that's BS, how come girls who get implants who've never carried around that extra weight before and so I'm assuming would have weaker muscles never complain? Women are always just complaining about something, the only thing I feel sorry about is women built like that are doomed to a life of oggling and lower expectations by almost every guy that meets them.
Back problems are logically expected if they have to carry those things around every day of their lives.

If women don't want to be ogled, they should wear a burka. They spend hours on make-up and hair, wax their legs and put on cleavage enhancing tops and miniskirts to get men's attention. And then they get creeped out when some guy looks too long and too hard? Sorry, but you can't get something without giving something in return. I believe that women should get to dress however they wish. But if you dress to attract attention, you forgo the right to whine when you to get looked at, ogled, or hit on.

'Lowered expectations' are societally-conditioned. Busty women are constantly portrayed and seen as bimbos. There is of course no defendable evidence behind this. Both men and women perpetrate this stereotype. Women need to admit that they are jealous of the additional attention busty women receive, leading them to rationalise their unbecoming envy by equating 'buxom' with 'brainless' or 'slut'. The same stereotyping of blonde women occurs as 'gentlemen prefer blondes'.

Among men... well, I really don't know what excuse men have. Men like full breasts as they are visual symbols of 'nursing', which in turn trigger signals of 'fertility' and 'maternal instinct'. Many of the men who describe busty women as dumb probably already regard all women as being intellectually-inferior. Another possible explanation is that big breasts trigger in men an unsurpressable animalistic desire, in effect, giving busty women a potent power over them, which they attempt to rationalise and reclaim by claiming intellectual- or moral-superiority over the 'sluts' and 'broads'.

The net effect of this stereotyping is the portrayal and reinforcement in mass media of busty women as either shallow nymphomaniacs with under-developed characterization or klutzy bimbos whose breasts are bigger than their brains and/or hearts. Should a busty woman be cast in a meaty, significant role, her breasts would by downplayed and hidden more often than not. "Characters who bare their breasts are not taken seriously". Why?

Even mainstream anime and manga is not exempt, though they are relatively less potent than in Hollywood. Shoujo titles and titles trying to attract a female audience rarely have busty characters, for obvious reasons. Most male-oriented titles attempt to depict the fantasy of the 'tough heroine: as gutsy as she is busty', but they usually turn out to be 'men in women's bodies'. And the bustiness here is superfluous. There is little difference whether the character has breasts or otherwise, as no attempts are made to draw attention to it. This 'will-it-won't-it' mentality is typical of those ashamed of depicting breasts as organs of beauty, hiding behind non-committal to avoid offending (or pleasing) anyone. But being neither here-nor-there is exacly that: neither here-nor-there. Other male-oriented titles make use of large breasts for absurd comical or titillative effect, again reinforcing stereotypes. Rare are the characters who rejoice in and are unashamed of their bustiness and femininity, who accept them as something perfectly natural and beautiful that may yet make a kinder, gentler world, and yet does not depend exclusively on boobies as character development. These characters would never be obscene even when naked, as they have gone beyond that duality forced on such fiction to appease the ignoble and ignorant masses bent on obscuring their own insecurities and flaws by multiplying those of others.

Not that there’s anything wrong with enjoying some brainless, sexist, and politically-incorrect entertainment from time to time, but the continued stereotyping of busty and blonde women (and by extension, men who like either) is really starting to get to me.
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Post by kujoe » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:53 am

FuguTabetai wrote:Wouldn't they make sure, in their copious training, that those muscles were at least up to the daily task of support? :)
But what about Chiaki? :P
Agent_Wax wrote:Even mainstream anime and manga is not exempt, though they are relatively less potent than in Hollywood. Shoujo titles and titles trying to attract a female audience rarely have busty characters, for obvious reasons. Most male-oriented titles attempt to depict the fantasy of the 'tough heroine: as gutsy as she is busty', but they usually turn out to be 'men in women's bodies'. And the bustiness here is superfluous. There is little difference whether the character has breasts or otherwise, as no attempts are made to draw attention to it. This 'will-it-won't-it' mentality is typical of those ashamed of depicting breasts as organs of beauty, hiding behind non-committal to avoid offending (or pleasing) anyone. But being neither here-nor-there is exacly that: neither here-nor-there. Other male-oriented titles make use of large breasts for absurd comical or titillative effect, again reinforcing stereotypes. Rare are the characters who rejoice in and are unashamed of their bustiness and femininity, who accept them as something perfectly natural and beautiful that may yet make a kinder, gentler world, and yet does not depend exclusively on boobies as character development. These characters would never be obscene even when naked, as they have gone beyond that duality forced on such fiction to appease the ignoble and ignorant masses bent on obscuring their own insecurities and flaws by multiplying those of others.
Well said, Agent_wax.

I'm just not sure what you exactly mean in the last sentence. Outside the context of their stories and within the world of anyone's twisted imagination and doujinshi, even the most well-crafted character is fair game for pornographic fun.

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Re: Too good to be true?

Post by agmaster » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:33 am

kk1 wrote:compare that to the picture of Aya where she's going to go swimming in the well with Mataza's dad to find the Enmi family scroll in fight 60 of vol 10, the pose and proportions are uncanny :shock:
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