who's still a virgin?
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who's still a virgin?
This is my first post here i just felt like asking the question. I have a good guess that Aya, Maya, Madoka, Masataka, and Souichirou are but who else can you think of?
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Re: who's still a virgin?
I don't know about Maya it's possible her and Mits hooked up(though I doubt OG would pass up the chance to show it) and since we can't know what has happened in the past or "off-screen" I think we can only be sure of who isn't rather than who is. So of the characters alive now, Mits, Bob,Chiaki, Asshat(confirmed by his girls) and obviously anyone with kids aren't but everyone else could then be presumed to be virgins.Jakkaru wrote:This is my first post here i just felt like asking the question. I have a good guess that Aya, Maya, Madoka, Masataka, and Souichirou are but who else can you think of?
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he's the last person i'd think would be a virginkujoe wrote:Er... what about Bunshichi?
Has he found the paizuri version of the holy grail yet?
on a side note does anyone know of a proper avatar that shows off I-no's sexiness
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Wasn't Maya rape in the past arc which caused Shin to go crazy?
Aya is virgin she said it herself in Vol 1.
Nagi is likely to be a virgin he wasn't popular with the ladies till now, girls like Maya, Aya and that what's her name new girl you know with the strong legs lol are interested in Nagi. Maybe he'll have a foursome.
Aya is virgin she said it herself in Vol 1.
Nagi is likely to be a virgin he wasn't popular with the ladies till now, girls like Maya, Aya and that what's her name new girl you know with the strong legs lol are interested in Nagi. Maybe he'll have a foursome.
Not to mention the guy only ever kissed one girl in his life, and it was unintentional.Nagi is way too immature for any kind of relationship.
Emi and that Bo staff guy are supposed to be very old fashioned right? and she's probably to into Mits to let any other guy near her.
As for those who arent? well, that Tranny made a comment about liking big black dudes, and I higly doubt Shin was a virgin seeing how easy his girlfriend was. So I'd add him to list with Bob and the others. And Tetsuhito's gotta be getting some. He's a grown man, seems pretty self confident, comfortable with his nakedness and I can't picture him saving himself.
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I don't that's how it seemed to me her clothes being ripped off was a way to show as to what is going to happen to her and wasn't she crying after everything happend? Maya donesn't seem the type of girl who would cry if she was beaten up more like "ha ha is that all you got spits at the bad guys face" person. Plus to me it makes more sense why Shin flipped out seeing Maya after being raped.geohound03 wrote:I don't know why everyone always thinks that, they just beat her up and ripped her shirt up.ZoddGuts wrote:Wasn't Maya rape in the past arc which caused Shin to go crazy?
Or maybe I'm just wrong? Can you tell me what Volume and chapter this took place I want to view it again to see if I'm remembering correctly or not.
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Volume 7 chapter 40 continuing into chapter 41 Dude it wuz staged to make Shin think they had raped her so it would make him go berserk ur looking into it way too muchZoddGuts wrote:I don't that's how it seemed to me her clothes being ripped off was a way to show as to what is going to happen to her and wasn't she crying after everything happend? Maya donesn't seem the type of girl who would cry if she was beaten up more like "ha ha is that all you got spits at the bad guys face" person. Plus to me it makes more sense why Shin flipped out seeing Maya after being raped.geohound03 wrote:I don't know why everyone always thinks that, they just beat her up and ripped her shirt up.ZoddGuts wrote:Wasn't Maya rape in the past arc which caused Shin to go crazy?
Or maybe I'm just wrong? Can you tell me what Volume and chapter this took place I want to view it again to see if I'm remembering correctly or not.
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I disagree. I think it was left intentionally ambiguous. I personally think Maya was raped. It makes the story more powerfull, believable, and fits in well with the Tenjo Tenge universe. It would surprise me more if she wasn't raped. I think it wasn't illustrated like the other sex scenes because it was rape, and Oh! Great wanted there to be an emotional impact as opposed to sexy drawings for kids to jerk off to.MrProphet wrote:I concur that it was staged to make Shin go crazy. It's the most obvious explanation.
She was not raped... not even a hint of that.
Because it was ambiguous, it does not mean she was.
The whole point why it was ambiguous and realistic was to make Shin believe that something has happened. It does not mean it did actually happen.
Fu Chi'en had absolutely NO reason to order the rape. His only purpose was to inflame Shin. That and nothing else.
As long as Shin believed that Maya was violated, he has accomplished the purpose. Actually raping her was not necessary and there is no proof that it actually happened.
In fact, the speed with which Maya has recovered leads me to believe that she was only beaten up. Rape victims do NOT recover so fast.
PS Just in case, Chiaki wasn't actually raped either, as we know, so that's not an argument, I hope.
The whole point why it was ambiguous and realistic was to make Shin believe that something has happened. It does not mean it did actually happen.
Fu Chi'en had absolutely NO reason to order the rape. His only purpose was to inflame Shin. That and nothing else.
As long as Shin believed that Maya was violated, he has accomplished the purpose. Actually raping her was not necessary and there is no proof that it actually happened.
In fact, the speed with which Maya has recovered leads me to believe that she was only beaten up. Rape victims do NOT recover so fast.
PS Just in case, Chiaki wasn't actually raped either, as we know, so that's not an argument, I hope.
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Occams razor leads me to believe she was raped. Why stage some elaborate ploy, when actually raping her would piss off Shin?MrProphet wrote: Fu Chi'en had absolutely NO reason to order the rape. His only purpose was to inflame Shin. That and nothing else.
As long as Shin believed that Maya was violated, he has accomplished the purpose. Actually raping her was not necessary and there is no proof that it actually happened.
In the real world.MrProphet wrote: In fact, the speed with which Maya has recovered leads me to believe that she was only beaten up. Rape victims do NOT recover so fast.
Chiaki was raped, although she did try to (not very successfully) lie about it to make Bob feel better. I agree that this is again up to one's interpretation, but I really think she was raped.MrProphet wrote: PS Just in case, Chiaki wasn't actually raped either, as we know, so that's not an argument, I hope.
Fu's pawns had their pants up and were still holding Maya's ripped clothes, hence Maya wasn't raped, ...
that's the way I see it, though the two page drawing could hint out she was
Chiaki *was* raped, you'd have to be pretty gullable to believe her poor excuse, plus in Bob's case he doesn't want to believe I guess
that's the way I see it, though the two page drawing could hint out she was
Chiaki *was* raped, you'd have to be pretty gullable to believe her poor excuse, plus in Bob's case he doesn't want to believe I guess
I've looked back over that scene and I can't see any hard evidence that she was or was not raped for that matter. It's just really ambiguous. I've got one question though. On page 1 of volume 7 ch. 41 the just after they've ripped off her clothes, what do those katchya, katchya sound effects supposed to represent? It looked like Fu's men were nodding in agreement that the scene had the right look. Were these the sound effects for nodding? Well, assuming Maya was a virgin, if she was raped then there probably would be a little blood.
Chiaki was raped, Enma Enmi was too (there's one small panel with one of the motorcycle brothers with his pants around his ankles), Maya wasn't simply because there was no time and contrary to OG's other graphic portrayls no other evidence (ie fluids etc.).MrProphet wrote:Well, leaving Maya to her own devices, how did you gather that Chiaki was lying? She seemed pretty convincing to me...
But back to the time thing it was all being shown concurrent with what Shin was doing at the same time and he left Dougen before Maya even went into the room, there's no way in the time it took Shin to get to the room anything could have happened to Maya. It was all staged to bring about the exact effect on Shin that happened, Maya was beat up but there's no way she's that weak that she'd just lie there and get raped, they'd have had to beat her unconciouss first. She could still scream, Shin wouldn't have heard that?Fu even says when she's lying there with her clothes on "it makes a nice picture but still doesn't have enough impact, your clothes are in the way", obviously meaning Shin just thinking she's only been beat up won't get him mad enough so it has to "look like" something else happened.
Fu's men are also always show standing there's a sound effect from the men at the start of fight 41 "kacha kacha" which in the context of the scene could be Fu's men undoing the clasp on their belts...I'll go as far as saying Fu's men may have covered Maya in ...well...you get the idea(but even that's not depicted soo...), but not that they raped her. Also she just doesn't act like someone who was raped afterwards, whereas with Chiaki OG shows that even though she tries to play it off at first(thus leading to the confusion in her case) she later breaks down about it at the bowling alley.
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Her actions and language when she was explaining to Bob what happened. It isn't a clear thing either, so it is debateable. I just know what I think on the matter though.MrProphet wrote:Well, leaving Maya to her own devices, how did you gather that Chiaki was lying? She seemed pretty convincing to me...
Also, I vaugely recall her saying that she lied about it much later. But I might have just made that up. I think there are lots of people here that know a lot more about Tenjo Tenge than I do; I just translate it for fun...
Well, as far as who the main rape victims in this manga are, I personally think there's only one: Chiaki. No need to explain this extensively, though I also think that if the author chose to focus more on her, there would be more implicit emphasis on her gradual recovery. Not to mention, it sort of relates with her wish that Bob quit school.
I wouldn't consider the Enma shrine maiden as being a rape victim as well, in the sense that someone did the deed with her forcibly. No doubt, she was physically tortured in different kinds of ways--but personally, I also read that small panel as some guy getting caught with his pants down just when he was about to do the real thing. And I just can't picture Mataza being the straightforward rapist type either. He was just fucked up as his methods were, hence his penchance for straps and sharp tools among other things.
I wouldn't consider the Enma shrine maiden as being a rape victim as well, in the sense that someone did the deed with her forcibly. No doubt, she was physically tortured in different kinds of ways--but personally, I also read that small panel as some guy getting caught with his pants down just when he was about to do the real thing. And I just can't picture Mataza being the straightforward rapist type either. He was just fucked up as his methods were, hence his penchance for straps and sharp tools among other things.
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Check the panel of well..."fluids" between her feet in the panel right before or after that, that ain't water.kujoe wrote:
I wouldn't see the Enma shrine maiden as being a rape victim either, in the sense that someone did the deed with her forcibly. No doubt, she was heavily tortured sexually and physically--but personally, I also read that small panel as some guy getting caught with his pants down just when he was about to do the real thing.
well what if those "fluids" r hers.... I don't think she was raped just torturedkk1 wrote:Check the panel of well..."fluids" between her feet in the panel right before or after that, that ain't water.kujoe wrote:
I wouldn't see the Enma shrine maiden as being a rape victim either, in the sense that someone did the deed with her forcibly. No doubt, she was heavily tortured sexually and physically--but personally, I also read that small panel as some guy getting caught with his pants down just when he was about to do the real thing.
and for maya, i think she was raped also she's a strong gal and she wouldn't cry just for being stripped naked.
I'm sure chiaki was raped also. Ryuuzaki kinda like a guy to go for such thing.
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