kk1 wrote: Nagi is not a bad guy he isn't going to kill anyone, remeber he couldn't even hit his dad?
but he's not really "all" nagi anymore tho
Moderator: FuguTabetai
He was TALKING, how can you talk after being eviscerated? Plus all his "gang" were standing around going "huh wha" cause they saw it too. How did his mask disintegrate? Wouldn't that take some new red feather power we don't know about wouldn't that that be necessary for this kind of thing? NO it was just to show how freaking powerful Nagi is now, he doesn't even have to touch a guy and he knows he's beat, that's how much ki Nagi is exuding and he didn't even open his gate and turn his hair black, doesn't anyone remeber Souhaku had been feeding him ki for weeks(or longer who knows)? That's why he asks "Who are you?" "Are you even human?" (something someone who has had the lower third of their spine destroyed wouldn't be able to do, heck he wouldn't even be able to stand) that's how completely different Nagi is.MrProphet wrote:Well, not really. We are trying to decide whether Sagara was actually hit, or it just was in his mind.
I'd say it was pretty ambiguous, with no obvious way to tell the actual truth. I see no evidence to suggest that Nagi is capable of Dragon Eye-like illusions, which would certainly be necessary for this kind of thing.
From what they've shown us, I'd say Sagara was hit for real. Until we see more of him, I see no reason to think otherwise (other than for pure speculation, of course).
I might be too but if I am, I'm really dissapointed OG would make Nagi do that.FuguTabetai wrote:The way Sagara was talking to me it seemed like he started some speech that he had already prepared, but then as he was going into it, he got punched by Nagi (Forged Needle "reverse striking" attack), his back got blown out, he kept talking - but notice the many ... in his speech, and right before he's about to fall over he says "are you even human?"
Sagara's goons are reacting because they just saw their boss' guts blown out his back, and his mask flew apart from the impact spreading out radially from where he was hit.
But I might be wrong. I think we won't know until the next issue.
It's still weird as hell that he was able to stand that long to say something like that. I would think at that point you would just slump over. It just seemed like Nagi showed him an illusion or something along those lines. But if all Sagara's guys saw it then maybe Sagara is done for.FuguTabetai wrote:The way Sagara was talking to me it seemed like he started some speech that he had already prepared, but then as he was going into it, he got punched by Nagi (Forged Needle "reverse striking" attack), his back got blown out, he kept talking - but notice the many ... in his speech, and right before he's about to fall over he says "are you even human?"
Sagara's goons are reacting because they just saw their boss' guts blown out his back, and his mask flew apart from the impact spreading out radially from where he was hit.
But I might be wrong. I think we won't know until the next issue.
Aya does it to Nagi once too, when he refuses to be trained by his mom Aya draws a pretend sword and slices him in half and he reacts like he feels it. I think even Maya does it to Aya in their fight on the rooftop of the school.gundammrw wrote:The attack from Nagi is no different than the attack that Shin did on Bunshichi. It was a series of saki(killing intent) attacks that emprinted the image of death in your opponent even though no actual attack took place. It was done by Shin, Orochimaru does it against Sasuke and Sakura in Naruto. The feeling of a sword at Ichigo's throat as he ran from Kenpachi in Bleach is another subtle example of this. Hell even in Hajime no Ippo, Ippo learns how to mix a faint with Saki so that the opponent believes that an actual punch is being thrown.
Sagura's mask ripping was a product of the fact that chi attacks, as Maya pointed out at the series, can control the destination of the attack. Nagi was just proving his strength and intent on fighting by destroying it.
Sagura's goons were shocked at the appearance and disappearance of the saki image which is why one of them rubs his eyes. Its not unusual that others can see the image of saki between two people. After all, Fu chi'en say it with Shin and Bunshichi and made the comment, "This is what is called playing with an opponent right?". I'm pretty sure if the man they look up too just had his spine relocated to the floor they would have freaked.
jimmy1200 wrote:wtf. its blatantly obvious. one page there is a hole in the middle of him, and then the next page it shows nagi right infront of him with his fist to his gut, and a shocked reaction on sags face because he thinks he just got killed. hole, then no hole.
its the same killing intent scene in every fight manga. are we having a moment of duh on mt.com.
no offense, but it was pretty obvious when i saw it the first time.
end of that debate.
Perhaps I am "having a moment of duh". It certainly wasn't clear to me, but I'm different from most people here: I don't read much manga. In fact, the only manga I've read is pretty much what I've translated here (my first manga ever was Great Teacher Onidzuka, I thought that was the bomb, so I started translating mange.)jimmy1200 wrote:are we having a moment of duh on mt.com.
no offense, but it was pretty obvious when i saw it the first time.
Is it in his character to make his mother's arm explode? Is it in his character to fight and badly beat complete strangers that his estranged father sends to him for a reason completely unknown to him?Gigei wrote:Whoa it's just to me it was obvious because Nagi wouldn't punch a hole through Saga like that. He just wouldn't, it's not in his character to do that.
nagi did neither of those things of his own volition and neither compares to murder.MrProphet wrote:Is it in his character to make his mother's arm explode? Is it in his character to fight and badly beat complete strangers that his estranged father sends to him for a reason completely unknown to him?Gigei wrote:Whoa it's just to me it was obvious because Nagi wouldn't punch a hole through Saga like that. He just wouldn't, it's not in his character to do that.
Seems to me like people assign to Nagi qualities that he does not exactly possess. Maybe a Generic Main Character #52712 would, but Nagi doesn't seem to be one.
Well, you tell me.kujoe wrote:Personally, I'm not 100% sure of what truly happened with Sagara in this particular scene either—we'll probably have to find out for ourselves in the next chapter—but I was just wondering how you could say that Nagi has the qualities of a potential killer by bringing up what happened to Makiko and Mataza. That's what surprised me.
Why do you think Makiko had to do what she did? If Nagi was in control of himself he would have never come close to hitting his mother. I'll tell you what Mr.P if you're right about this I'll hail you as an all knowing genius in a final post and never post here again.MrProphet wrote:Well, you tell me.kujoe wrote:Personally, I'm not 100% sure of what truly happened with Sagara in this particular scene either—we'll probably have to find out for ourselves in the next chapter—but I was just wondering how you could say that Nagi has the qualities of a potential killer by bringing up what happened to Makiko and Mataza. That's what surprised me.
If Makiko hasn't stopped Souichirou, what would have happened to Mataza?
Perhaps we're looking at this differently. If Aya cut off Masataka's leg due to her berserking Dragon's Eye and beat up Maya and Nagi who tried to stop her in the process, would you say she's a sadistic butcher who took pleasure in it then?MrProphet wrote:Well, you tell me.
If Makiko hasn't stopped Souichirou, what would have happened to Mataza?
Maybe. But since some time has gone by after being fed "meat" by Souhaku, and since he has been training along with the other members under the guidance of Masataka (finally), I'm sure that he's aware that he has gotten stronger and better at fighting. At least, that's what I think. But yes, if he only knows what Aya knows...geohound03 wrote:Personally for me, that scene as I saw it wasn't truely Nagi. To me it looked as though his father already took some control over him in that scene, as Nagi wouldn't even know he has a power like that, correct? The way Nagi does that without so much as saying 'whoa' which would be typical of him, it really seemed like another person.
I never said anything about butchers.kujoe wrote:Perhaps we're looking at this differently. If Aya cut off Masataka's leg due to her berserking Dragon's Eye and beat up Maya and Nagi who tried to stop her in the process, would you say she's a sadistic butcher who took pleasure in it then?
I was just making an example in order to confirm something.MrProphet wrote:I never said anything about butchers.
Oh, really? Yes, you were urging others to examine the scene. We're all wondering about it.MrProphet wrote:I wasn't claiming anything about Nagi either. I was just urging people to examine the scene from various perspectives and not be caged by their own notions about what Nagi is supposed to be or supposed to do.
Funny how that works.MrProphet wrote:PS: Don't get too upset, it's not a big deal. Just a manga, after all.